I think Vatsis needs to respond to mine and mrspock's posts.  I don't think Vatsis understands this new law at all.  Changing the peachy18 forums from the way they were before is completely unnecessary.

Dispositioner wrote:

I highly doubt that Vatsis is going to get in any kind of trouble for having preview thumbs on his forum.

The preview thumbs are cached on the PeachyBBS server, so I'm "the second producer". If the gallery the preview thumb is made of is Softcore, everything ok. But, if it's hardcore, I need to have the models ID (driverslicense). If not,

Anybody, most likelt a jelous webmaster, may report PeachyBBS to the sponsor of that gallery AND to the host of PeachyBBS AND to the US department of justice (DOJ)

Without asking, 1) The sponsor immediatelly disables my account, 2) the hosting provider unplugs the servers (if located in US like now) and 3) DOJ will give me 2-10 years in prison (whenever I enter US).

2) is not problem if I start hosting in EU/Canada/Australia, but PeachyBBS goes slow as hell for citizens of US. 3) is currenly bad, and also because I want to move to US... but 1) is what worries me most. No money = no servers.

"If he can get in trouble for preview thumbs on the nude/nn section, why not in the request section?"

The thumbs on the request section will be moved this weekend. I just need to decide if to start "Softcore: Request a girl" -section with preview thumbs.

I don't see how this law makes it impossible to have a fanclub forum.

This has been answered only a couple of posts earlier. In short: The are 2 dublicate fanclubs: Peachy18 and PeachyBBS for every Peachy18 girl. PeachyBBS is unmanaged, with only links to galleries, but on Peachy18 I can make advanced attributes to every gallery. I've been going those Peachy galleries 10 hours per day, my eyes are bleeding: turning them into Softcore, disabling posting (for Lightspeed girls) or removing them compeletelly - it varies from sponsor to sponsor. But there are also good news - those galleries are then easier to sort, easier to search etc. when there will be "text-only" version of Peachy18. Actually, that's the only thing better then only Peachy.

I thought, that it's still allowed to make just text-links even to explicit galleries, in my opinion it does not turn someone into a secondary producer. Am I wrong?

You're right! There is additional rules on PeachyBBS, you may post as always... explicit or not. 2257 does not make me responsible for posts on forums, and it only makes the posters "distributers", not "producers".

If the problem is the preview picture, remove this feature and remove explicit attachments as well, that's better than remove the entire threads.

No threads and no forums will be removed - we must only remove "preview thumbs" or restrict it to certain forums... OR, if making previews is not considered producing (Google Images has been claiming that), even "preview thumbs" might stay. It might also be restricted to certain forums, like "Softcore: request a girl", but it's not easy to moderate that nobody sends hc images.

Another alternative could be to allow users to submit their own preview pictures which comply with the new us-law.

That would solve things, but the current forum software doesn't support that. There were also other suggestions posted earlier, I'm still trying to keep those previews as long as possible and follow what Google will do with image search.

If you search for "porn" on Google Images on June 23th and get preview thumbs... we'll keep it on forums as well.

useless? wtf? they werent ever useless, alot of the time there were plenty of gallerys that you couldnt find in the galleries at peachy, in fact it seems like the galleries there never seem to update, always the same old crap, never new.

To start with, I'd like to express my gratitude to Vatsis for all he does.   I know the last couple of weeks have created a lot of hard decisions and hard work for him.

After reading this whole thread, I was concerned that you were planning on removing the "Top Requests" thread as well.  But you did say:

Vatsis wrote:

The thumbs on the request section will be moved this weekend.

AND

Vatsis wrote:

No threads and no forums will be removed - we must only remove "preview thumbs" ....

So, just to clarify, are you planning on keeping both Requests thread alive, but without thumbs (for legal reasons)?

If I had known that the Nude Fanclub board was going away, I would have tried to organize a bunch of users to backup or grablinks all of the threads.   (I'm afraid all of those great links are lost forever.)  If we had all done one page of threads, we could have saved everything in a couple of hours.

If there's any danger that some of the links in the "Top Requests" threads are not coming back, let's start saving them now.   But if Vatsis isn't planning on deleting any text/links, then he's got us covered.

MUDFLAP Joined on 05-30-2005 Posts 8
	I searched this site trying to figure out how the "2257" law reads, and did not find it, so I am sorry Mods if this post is redundant.  If you are like me...."22 fifty what? Whats that".... This may help you;  As it did me.   Please send me a PM.   http://www.usdoj.gov/opa/pr/2005/May/05_ag_272.htm

Hum... So, we wont get girls tread/forum anymore?
No more Isabelle Forum? No more Katie Fey Forum?
Oh man... its a nightmare...
What a fuck is that???

Hum... So, we wont get girls thread/forum anymore?
No more Isabelle Forum? No more Katie Fey Forum?
Oh man... its a nightmare...
What a fuck is that???

thanostita wrote:

Hum... So, we wont get girls thread/forum anymore?

As posted by Vatsis earlier, one way or another, the FanClub forums will be back up.

It's a major job, and headache to do and figure out, so we all need to be patient. 

The rules in the FanClub sections was always to submit your links to the girls shrine before posting.  So the majority of the links are available in the shrines.

KS

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KS wrote:

As posted by Vatsis earlier, one way or another, the FanClub forums will be back up.

Yea, that's right - see attached image for sneak-peak of Peachy18_v2 (Text-Only). There are couple of links for every girl, but from "more" -link access to her profile with all her links fully sortable (by submitter, by date, by popularity). So of my own galleries are "cleaned up", meaning explicit images are removed. Who needs the old NudeFanclub when you can have galleries sorted, fully searchable, dublicates removed, checked if up and removed of dialers/spam? Always wanted to do that, now it seems I have to.

I'm still in the middle of many choices... don't know if I need to replace Peachy18 with those links or if it's better to open a new site with a new name. I'm still trying to contact EU sponsors, because US based won't allow using thumbs.

Wow, looking good Vatsis. 

Though I doubt you'll have time to do this (or already are doing this), I'll put this out there:

- In the new shrines, it would be nice if you can customize them (via cookies probably) so that you can have your favorites listed first.

- It would also be nice if there was some sort of way you can easily tell if there are new URL's in each shrine.


As to the preview pictures, if it comes down to removing them / making two sections (HC + SC) I'd prefer something like this:

-Allow moderators the ability to add / remove the preview pictures.  If the gallery complies with the new rules then a mod will approve it, if not then a mod will say no (then a generic "HC" will appear (like the current "Link" picture - so that everyone including the mods know that it's been looked at)
Don't know if this is a realistic possibility, but perhaps it will give you other ideas.

KS

Vatsis wrote:

2) is not problem if I start hosting in EU/Canada/Australia, but PeachyBBS goes slow as hell for citizens of US.

Same old untrue argument from US centric minded people that understand nothing about peering... (but may well understand $$$ arguments )

You can have a host in CA/EU (AUS I do not know much about it... sorry) and provide blasting speed throughout. Price might still be an issue though.

The truth being that good fast hosting is easier to find in the US than somewhere else. Does not mean it does not exist...

Vatsis: if one day you think to really host out of the US get good advice from hosting professionals or rather "hosted professionals" the latter might give you unbiaised info.

fboiss wrote:

Vatsis wrote: 2) is not problem if I start hosting in EU/Canada/Australia, but PeachyBBS goes slow as hell for citizens of US. Same old untrue argument from US centric minded people that understand nothing about peering... (but may well understand $$$ arguments ) You can have a host in CA/EU (AUS I do not know much about it... sorry) and provide blasting speed throughout. Price might still be an issue though. The truth being that good fast hosting is easier to find in the US than somewhere else. Does not mean it does not exist...

Trying to find a host at the same price in EU as US will mean it's very overselled... just bought a test server from France and even it was near promised 10mbit to Finland, only 2mbit to US. There goes that 89$.

Option I'm going with is to host on US servers and buy very cheap "EU backup server". Some say "nothing's gonna happen" and "I'm just being worried peachHead", but from 23th June it's as illegal to share non-softcore images as it's c*hild pronography. I have backups but they are at my hosting companys tapes... I doubt they will give them after unplugging.

Forget France for some time.. they were selling broadband as being 512K still last year....

problem is I no longer have first hand info on these EU markets...

Dealing with US laws is not for birds, so I think better safe than sorry. Keep it up.

KS wrote:

- It would also be nice if there was some sort of way you can easily tell if there are new URL's in each shrine.

I'd second this suggestion too. When you see "link 1 - link 2 - link 3" it's hard to remember which of those you've already saved. With my favourite girls, I keep a text file of all the URLs I've gathered for her - that way, I can reference it when I find another gallery, to see whether I have it already or not. I've never been a fan of the peachy18.com shrine system, as the links are all internal (with a peachy18 URL), so you have to manually click View --> Source to see the source code and find the original URL. Not easy to identify what you have or don't have. Is there any simple way of displaying the gallery's original URL, assuming you have to keep the orange peachy bar at the top of each linked gallery? (for example, google's image search allows you to see the image in it's original context). Maybe some text like "original gallery URL: http://original-gallery-address-here.com " could be added, either on each girl's shrine pages, next to the "link 1, link 2 etc" or on the actual orange frame once the gallery is open. Just thinking out loud here...

As to the preview pictures, if it comes down to removing them / making two sections (HC + SC) I'd prefer something like this: -Allow moderators the ability to add / remove the preview pictures.  If the gallery complies with the new rules then a mod will approve it, if not then a mod will say no (then a generic "HC" will appear (like the current "Link" picture - so that everyone including the mods know that it's been looked at)

Again, I back this idea up - I suggested moderated thumb previews earlier. Would it be possible? It would mean a lot of work for mods, and they would have to be trusted not to make any mistakes with submitting illegal previews, but it would be better than doing away with them altogether. Having separate SC and HC request forums could make things confusing (though again, a better solution than removing thumbs altogether).

Just thought, 2257 will affect some people's avatars won't it? Will they need to be pre-moderated in case someone has a hardcore image?

matadorstuff wrote:

Just thought, 2257 will affect some people's avatars won't it? Will they need to be pre-moderated in case someone has a hardcore image?

Don't know the answer to that... I'll check those adult webmaster boards regularly, and try to adopt to their rules.

 

Truly dark days for not just peachy but the whole internet industry. . . great job to everybody working so hard to comply with the new law . . . . my question is - what if this whole thing blows over -- what if nothing really changes?  DOJ has way more important things to do then go around trying to shut peachy down as well as the millions of other sites out there.  How long are you going to test the water before we just go back to doing things the way we used to?  Will you ever?  How long you think until the sponsors begin to relax and go back to their old ways?  I know its speculative, but I think we are all curious how long we have to ride this thing out. 

Nobush wrote:

How long are you going to test the water before we just go back to doing things the way we used to?

Three Weeks. 14th of July to be exact, when I hit the Finnish airport and have get away from US.

It's not that I'm afraid getting busted by Jack Bauer, but that I should then know if I ever want to move to US and obey their regulations... so wish me an unhappy vacation!

Nobush wrote:

Truly dark days for not just peachy but the whole internet industry. . . great job to everybody working so hard to comply with the new law . . . . my question is - what if this whole thing blows over -- what if nothing really changes?  DOJ has way more important things to do then go around trying to shut peachy down as well as the millions of other sites out there.  How long are you going to test the water before we just go back to doing things the way we used to?  Will you ever?  How long you think until the sponsors begin to relax and go back to their old ways?  I know its speculative, but I think we are all curious how long we have to ride this thing out.

There will be at least one trial case. That is the way things work. And there will be a lot of pre-designated press-coverage. The point is that the designers of 2257 will have to prove to the US public that they are are not wasting tax-payers money. My guess is that they will try to find a website hosting some cp to prove their point. After that, when other dubious websites have cleaned their operations, things should normalise. I'm talking poitics here, not technical 2257 stuff.

greets   - mike.