Disabling PeachyChat?

Sat, Nov 19 2005 5:33
Vatsis
cold capital of Finland
Posts 3,384
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We've had some problems moderating PeachyChat... actually, it has been unmoderated (nobody wants to sit there 24h/day). So, what I'm thinking is disabling the link to the chat and taking it offline.

However, we would then enable it when there is some occation (like "christmas party" or "new year" or "some girl from xuz wants ready to talk") and make announcement a week before. That way there would surely be more people and we would have a topic.

That would lead to that...

- quality of chat increases
- quantity of people increases
- moderated chat - no spammers/flamers
- sharing that bandwidth more equally (when chat offline, it will be for everyone)

Also, I'd upgrade the chat to AspChat v3 that would have a list of people chatting (!), chat rooms, private chat etc... so when the PeachyChat is online, we would actually wait for it - not ignore it.

What do you think?

Sat, Nov 19 2005 14:21
funky2004
Amsterdam
Posts 90,340
Retired Moderator
 Vatsis wrote:

 What do you think?

It's your party Vatsis....

Some of the regulars will not like it I suppose.

In general - whatever your decision will be - I believe chatroom should only be accessible to registered members who have logged-in.

 

Sat, Nov 19 2005 15:22
drumasteruk
sunny south coast
Posts 1,573

Hiya Vatsis,

I have to say, it will be very sad if you have to take the path you have outlined.

But I think I understand some of the reasoning. I've been chatting here for a while now, and do agree that in the last six months the chat has been underused.It seems to have become almost a members club consisting of only about ten regular members. THats not the way we wish it to be, and are willing to aid and assist anyone who wants to join in. I'm sure you check V and notice that quite a few of us leave our''calling cards'' once or twice a day.

'Moderation' yes I can see that a problem does arise there at times. We all have told chatters that ''this is not the place, for that site/query'', its a problem that any open forum suffers with. And at times so does the main site, as even there the mods cannot check every thread all the time. Then we have the 'idiots' who insist on using nothing but bad language, and also the ones who insist on being rude to our few female members and I must point out here that some of those have been 'members'. As you also know from past messages, we have attemped to 'self-police' once or twice, with varied success, as there is nothing to stop people rejoining under different names.

Vatsis, I wish this was a perfect world.....but?

Bringing back the chat for 'special' events? sorry I dont think that would work very well, (and if it did..the server couldnt take the strain).

If anything, I go with Funkys idea, Members only. That should alieviate some of your legal concerns (not all, I know). And should improve the self-control(hope).

Please dont take this decision too quickly, remember if we can assist and support, some of us will.

Drum

Sat, Nov 19 2005 16:57
buckshot
Posts 642
i just don't want to lose our julia from met chat page. i don't think that there any posters on her thread that abuse it and it's the only way we can keep in touch. i don't read any of the threads but hers,so i don't know of what abuse's your having.
Sat, Nov 19 2005 17:11
modelcaster
Posts 824
Vatsis means the real time chat not the general chat.
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Down there mike: good points, i will not write anything here.
I have not contributed very much to this board (no Top10 poster),
so i can not require/insist to let chat open...

Sat, Nov 19 2005 17:20
mike_op18
Netherlands
Posts 1,460
Moderator

Hi Vatsis,

 

As you know I have been on the chat more than most. And yes there have been occasional incidents and there always will be. That's normal. The regulars always jump on that when it happens. Why not address the issues? Have there been complaints? Have I been spamming oxanababy a bit too much?  

In my opinion the chat should not need to be moderated under a few conditions:

1. Make sure that everyone knows what the rules are for using the chat. They are fairly obvious to most of us.

2. Make sure that everyone on chat logs in (no guests). Hard for the people who lost their passwords, but better for the chat.

3. Log the chat. If there are complaints, check who sent and send a warning. Happens again? Ban. All standard procedure. 

 Vatsis wrote:

However, we would then enable it when there is some occation (like "christmas party" or "new year" or "some girl from xuz wants ready to talk") and make announcement a week before. That way there would surely be more people and we would have a topic.

These are the occasions that most people spend with their friends and their relatives at home. I would expect there to be LESS people on chat than on a regular evening.
I know at least one “girl from xuz” who would not come here at all if the chat was not there when SHE was online.
 

 Vatsis wrote:

That would lead to that...
- quality of chat increases
- quantity of people increases
- moderated chat - no spammers/flamers
- sharing that bandwidth more equally (when chat offline, it will be for everyone)

All unrelated. The quality of chat often goes down when more people are online. Why moderate? See points made earlier. Surely the use of bandwidth can be adjusted to “turn on” when used?

 Vatsis wrote:

Also, I'd upgrade the chat to AspChat v3 that would have a list of people chatting (!), chat rooms, private chat etc... so when the PeachyChat is online, we would actually wait for it - not ignore it.

This is not the issue. You were talking about the problems of Moderating Chat, that is  keeping unwanted stuff away. Will upgrading help that? I do not see the logic.

 Vatsis wrote:
  
What do you think?

Don’t. The chat is one of the main reasons I come here. And if you do, please spend a long time considering first. Each change seems to have lost active members. I think this will be no exception.

greets   - mike =)).

Sat, Nov 19 2005 19:41
Hunter27
Classified
Posts 4,142
Retired Moderator
IMO close it. I put a bit to the test tonight. Pass sharing. It can't be stopped... And IP leakage, do you want everyone to hack you? I love chat, but it needs to be like Vatsis said... BTW I didn't share the full pass but if Mods/Admins want the convo I can post in mods.
Sat, Nov 19 2005 20:31
modelcaster
Posts 824
Damn hunter what nonsence you talk about pass sharing.

You did only funposts and we knew!

I can't show you any respect anymore.
You behave like a 15 yo.
Not suitable age for porn!
Sat, Nov 19 2005 20:45
mike_op18
Netherlands
Posts 1,460
Moderator

Hi Vatsis,

Ok I was going to post this as a pm, but in view of the last post, here it is in full, for all to read and judge for themselves. (I'll send it pm too just in case it gets deleted). 

Just so that we all understand what is going on. I’ve enclosed a log of the chat this evening. Most of it was about closing the chat. I’ll leave you to draw your own conclusions. Suffice to say that XXXXXX (edited mike 24-12-2007) opinions are not shared, and the chat IS used by many.

greets - mike =)). 

 

[14:29] funky2004: what about it?
[14:29] modelcaster: you posted the link
[14:30] modelcaster: Blonde Teen ClubSeventeen
[14:30] funky2004: sorry
[14:30] funky2004: http://www.peachyforum.com/forums/166850/ShowPost.aspx
[14:30] modelcaster: no need, may be interesting i love your dutch C17 stuff
[14:31] funky2004: i gave wrong thread nr should be 166850
[14:31] modelcaster: but this lonk worked
[14:31] modelcaster: link
[14:32] modelcaster: ah jes the 6
[14:32] modelcaster: y
[14:33] funky2004: b r b
[14:33] modelcaster: i prefer the second part with the indication of chatters and so one, when nobody can log in annonymously nobody has to fear flamers. maybe he means me, because i sometimes write nonsence with dis?
[14:34] modelcaster: or because of the young ashley?
[14:34] modelcaster: yes later
[14:36] modelcaster: mike will you write someting to this threat?
[14:38] modelcaster: i would reply too angry "quality, spammers, flamers..." Vatsis had a chance to come here earlier and tell us what he doesnt like what we should stop. Is it because we do not contribute to the site and earnings? or share links to other boards and free stuff without referers? or does the bandwith coast too much? maybe every member who wants to chat should pay 2 Euros to him?
[14:38] modelcaster: costs
[15:04] modelcaster: topic=http://www.peachyforum.com/forums/166850/ShowPost.aspx
[15:24] drumasteruk: evening all
[17:10] guest_: As per topic, I started the idea and I agree with Vatsis... Sorry.
[17:10] Hunter27: My bad, there...
[17:12] modelcaster: good bye
[17:12] modelcaster: its hard to die
[17:13] Hunter27: Vatsis makes some good points. Chat is simply an "insiders" thing here at peachy.
[17:13] modelcaster: so if you close it its no moe insider thing but its nothing
[17:14] Hunter27: It will be better when the new chat it oper per events.
[17:14] Hunter27: *is
[17:16] Hunter27: Plus, maybe you people will stop staring at chat and start taking more interest in the forums.
[17:16] Hunter27: Even I, like now wind up stuck in here. I could be doing other things.
[17:19] modelcaster: i just deleted peachy bookmark
[17:19] Hunter27: If chat is the only reason that you come here than who cares...
[17:19] modelcaster: dont want to disturn pey&cin forum chats
[17:19] modelcaster: Yes, OK
[17:19] modelcaster: *b
[17:21] modelcaster: i must say i do not know any other of the big boards with so less members online at the same time, and i do not know if it will me more other now have hundrets, half a thousand, peachy has two dozen
[17:21] modelcaster: *be
[17:22] Hunter27: Those numbers are inaccurate. We are already aware.
[17:30] mike_op18: i've posted on that thread MC
[17:31] mike_op18: and i disagree entirely Hunter
[17:31] mike_op18: You're trying to keep active members at Peachy?
[17:32]
drumasteruk:
[17:32] Hunter27: ONLY the regulars use chat...
[17:32] mike_op18: so?
[17:32] mike_op18: this was not the point Vatsis was making
[17:33] Hunter27: So it's a waste. And it's uncontrolable.
[17:33] mike_op18: bullshit
[17:33] mike_op18: it's controlled by the regulars
[17:33] drumasteruk: I made that point hunter..but asked why that has happened
[17:33] mike_op18: and it's a service for the guys who in effect ARE peachy
[17:34] Hunter27: No, everyone member is Peachy.
[17:34] mike_op18: Hunter, where are the rules of what can and what can't be said on chat?
[17:34] drumasteruk: err! mike I know you..and you aint 'peachy'!
[17:35] mike_op18: all the members make up peachy
[17:35] drumasteruk: same rules as apply to the rest of the site surely?
[17:35] mike_op18: if Pey decides to post on General and not come here it's her choice
[17:36] mike_op18: yesof course they do drums, but for some guest who steps inside here for the first time, they should be near at hand
[17:36] Hunter27: it was the chat topic last night that started this whole thing anyhow. But it's been a long time coming...
[17:37] mike_op18: read before entering chat, read before becoming a member
[17:37] mike_op18: which topic was that?
[17:37] drumasteruk: topic?? missed it I think
[17:37] Hunter27: oxana
[17:37] mike_op18: you know who wrote that?
[17:37] mike_op18: okokenough
[17:38] mike_op18: then as a joke MC
[17:38] Hunter27: It doesn't matter who wrote it.
[17:38] mike_op18: if you read my post on the thread, you'll find out what I said about that
[17:39] drumasteruk: someone thinks its free advertising yes?
[17:39] Hunter27: That's simply the tip of the iceburg. It's not that 1 time.
[17:39] mike_op18: It does matter Hunter. It is the reason that someone wants this moderated
[17:39] drumasteruk: or that one site either
[17:40] mike_op18: If someone willingly spams a forum, then taking the forum dow is rather....overdone
[17:40] mike_op18: You said yourself last night you were in a bad mood. I hope that's cleared up
[17:41] drumasteruk: money can talk though
[17:41] mike_op18: If I am in a bad mood i stay well clear of the forums
[17:41] Hunter27: Logging chat would most likely simply require more resources...
[17:41] mike_op18: I've made a suggestion to V. about that too.
[17:41] drumasteruk: yeah he annoys me instead
[17:41] mike_op18: no it wouldn't. some people log it already
[17:42] Hunter27: Like V said, who wants to sit there and stare at chat 24 hours a day...
[17:42] mike_op18: read what i said Hunter, please....
[17:43] Hunter27: i am
[17:43] mike_op18: it should NOT be moderated. IF ther are complaints (like yours) check the log, check which MEMBERS were up to games, and send a straight-forward warning
[17:44] drumasteruk: the problems that occur here happen within the threads as well, and often remain on a thread longer than here...especially when short a mod or no one reports it
[17:45] mike_op18: If moneys the problem (bandwidth) let the chat turn itself off after 5 minutes on non-activity. Start up again as soon as someone posts
[17:46] Hunter27: The current chat software is to easily hacked, IP leakage is a BIG problem here, one problem of several.
[17:46] mike_op18: was that the issue?
[17:46] drumasteruk: nope
[17:46] Hunter27: An issue.
[17:46] mike_op18: i mean you might be right...but that can surely be fixed
[17:46] mike_op18: It's not the reason Vatsis made that post
[17:47] Hunter27: How so?
[17:47] drumasteruk: its a legal problem
[17:48] Hunter27: Partly, there are just TO MANY REASONS to close it.
[17:48] mike_op18: i have no idea why the IP "leakage" hapens. It didn't used too. If it's members only, then there should not even be a need for it. It is not present on other chats
[17:48] mike_op18: I see just one Hunter
[17:48] drumasteruk: thing is we all become unknowns
[17:49] mike_op18: all the rest can be easily taken care of
[17:49] Hunter27: I would be well known here even without chat.
[17:49] mike_op18: and someone like Vatsis is well aware of that
[17:50] drumasteruk: yeah but a few words tell a lot
[17:50] mike_op18: sure you would - you've done more for peachy than most
[17:50] drumasteruk: thing is we can do wot we are doin now!!
[17:51] mike_op18: yep
[17:51] mike_op18: isn't it amazing
[17:51] drumasteruk: chew it over in real time
[17:51] Hunter27: What are you doing now?
[17:52] drumasteruk: scratching the cat
[17:52] Hunter27: Maybe a peachy insiders section might do.
[17:52] mike_op18: drinking a beer Hunter
[17:52] mike_op18: i've seen Vatsis on chat ONCE in the last 4 weeks. The chat has NOT been logged by peachy. How does he KNOW what has been going on?
[17:53] drumasteruk: yep I'm drinking mikes Bronte Bitter
[17:53] Hunter27: He doesn't, it's not just what's going on.
[17:53] mike_op18: I'm drinking the twin of your dutch Grolsch, drums
[17:54] drumasteruk: read some other threads
[17:54] mike_op18: Its the reason he gave
[17:55] drumasteruk: V lets the background out in lots of places
[17:55] mike_op18: I get it in pm's drums
[17:56] mike_op18: we're spamming peachy at oxanababy. Did you know that HUnter?
[17:56] Hunter27: Look at me for example, I AM HERE! I could be posting something usefull right now.
[17:57] drumasteruk: yeah i'm doin it in a 'few' places
[17:57] drumasteruk: you are
[17:57] Hunter27: Are you using an out?php mike? Otherwise there's no way to tell if it's even worth it.
[17:57] mike_op18: well go for it man...I prefer staying here chatting with drums, and anyone else who might turn up like Dis, FT, Alsayid, okokenough, jens ...
[17:58] mike_op18: http://www.oxanababy.ru/links/
[17:58] Hunter27: Maybe 10 people.
[17:58] drumasteruk: the columbian drug cartel
[17:59] Gemini37: Hey guys.
[17:59] drumasteruk: and MC
[17:59] drumasteruk: and gem too
[17:59] mike_op18: hi Gem
[18:00] Gemini37: Hi
[18:00] mike_op18: missed you off the chat-users list above, sorry
[18:00] mike_op18: check topic if you will
[18:00] Gemini37: Feeling crappy today...yeah I saw that.
[18:00] mike_op18: complaints were made
[18:00] Gemini37: I am thinking of how to word my reply.
[18:01] drumasteruk: got the twinges gem?
[18:01] mike_op18: well practice here then
[18:01] Hunter27: Yes they were, from the few regulars.
[18:02] mike_op18: Hunter i'll send you a small pm in a bit...there is maybe something i think you should know
[18:02] Hunter27: Alright
[18:02] Gemini37: Here is the list of todays afflictions ...rash from antibiotics;digesting problems & a headache.
[18:03] mike_op18: daym
[18:03] drumasteruk: nothing that cant be cured
[18:03] Gemini37: Suck to be me....but anyway...I do not support the chat removal.
[18:03] Hunter27: Gem have you seen madagascar yet?
[18:04] drumasteruk: by sleeping for a week
[18:04] Gemini37: Nope..prolly rent it.
[18:05] drumasteruk: I'll wait for christmas next year,,,be on the telly by then
[18:05] Gemini37: Yeah maybe.
[18:05] Hunter27: You reming me of the giraffe
[18:06] Gemini37: Who me?
[18:06] Hunter27: Yeah
[18:06] drumasteruk: spotty?
[18:07] Gemini37: I am just depressed 'cause hear lately as soon as I get better something else comes along and kicks my ass.
[18:08] drumasteruk: know how yer feel
[18:09] Hunter27: Anyhow, I'm for the removal of chat and I think Vatsis is as well. Even though I'm here often, I'll miss it but IMO...
[18:09] Gemini37: Back to the topic...There are many here that would have never found Peachy if it wasn't for chat...like Punkychick aka Pey.
[18:10] Hunter27: Not very many. A few.
[18:10] drumasteruk: yep but then she dont come no more coss of some here
[18:10] Gemini37: Despite the advantages we may gain we will certainly loos members.
[18:10] mr_hard: hey
[18:11] drumasteruk: we become pins on the board thats all
[18:11] guest_modelcaster: hey wast because many moths ago when i did not know her i asked her about sex stuff?
[18:11] drumasteruk: Hi MrH
[18:11] Gemini37: Yeah...but I still don't know the story behind that.
[18:11] mr_hard: whats up you guys
[18:11] Gemini37: Hey Mr. H.
[18:11] guest_modelcaster: (thought it was a boy who was kidding)
[18:12] drumasteruk: read topic MrH
[18:12] mr_hard: yeah thats what im readind
[18:12] Gemini37: That really suck that she let a few wankers get to her.
[18:13] Gemini37: I miss her.
[18:13] drumasteruk: more to it gem
[18:13] Gemini37: Damn it I miss a lot of people.
[18:13] drumasteruk: gonna miss more
[18:14] mr_hard: they want to close the chat
[18:14] Gemini37: Well get MSN for God sakes.
[18:14] drumasteruk: yep thats tonights discussion
[18:15] mr_hard: as if there closing evrything here maybe we should just stop coming and go somwhere else
[18:15] drumasteruk: my names not mike ''with five connections''
[18:15] mr_hard: next thing were gonna know this is gonna be a NN site
[18:16]
modelcaster:
[18:16] mike_op18: pm for you Hunter
[18:16] Hunter27: OK
[18:16] Alsayid69: Brothers Love
[18:16] drumasteruk: we do we do
[18:16] mike_op18: hi Al, MC, mr_hard
[18:16] Alsayid69: I just went to a new place to get my hair cut this afternoon
[18:16] Gemini37: I am unhappy to Mr H by Peachy has always been my home.
[18:16] modelcaster: Al i pmed you too
[18:17] Gemini37: Hi Al
[18:17] modelcaster: i did myself today Al
[18:17] Gemini37: Hi MC
[18:17] drumasteruk: hi Al
[18:17] modelcaster: i had very long and used my machine
[18:17] mr_hard: i know but everything is going down hill in here
[18:17] Alsayid69: hello, fellas
[18:17] modelcaster: Hi Gem
[18:17] modelcaster: and all i saw before
[18:18] mike_op18: Pey's around and kicking...
[18:18] Gemini37: My PM box is empty...noby loves me
[18:18] mike_op18: doesn't come to chat but always posting
[18:18] drumasteruk: was the Peachy brethren wailing and rending their clothes
[18:18] mr_hard: so you guys have any good links tonight?
[18:18] Gemini37: Yeah hope she is not pissed at me for some reason...I gave her my MSN addy.
[18:19] mike_op18: i'll ask next time i speak to her GEM
[18:19] modelcaster: Gem you are repsected, nobody dares to write nonsence pms to you
[18:19] Gemini37: Ok then.
[18:19] Gemini37: LOL@MC
[18:20] drumasteruk: heck i've got fifteen pages of then
[18:20] modelcaster: so this seems to be the last big chat party, everybody: COME IN SAY HELLO; SAY GOOD BYE; ENJOY THE NIGHT AND COASTER RIDE!
[18:20] modelcaster: its getting full
[18:20] mike_op18: C'mon MC...be realistic
[18:20] modelcaster: only fun
[18:20] mr_hard: http://www.slutty-teen-girls.com/galleries/55/12.jpg
[18:21] mr_hard: heres one feel free to put some too
[18:21] Hunter27: Alright I hear ya mike, I'm not going to reply. It's Vatsis decision in the end... I would, but would not miss chat if it were removed.
[18:21] mike_op18: peachy will lose MORE members by closing chat than by gaingin from added bandwidth
[18:21] mike_op18: ok Hunter
[18:21] mr_hard: i agree with you mike
[18:21] modelcaster: lets better not post pornlinks, maybe that's what is not wanted here
[18:22] mr_hard: and way more treads are gonna be opened
[18:22] modelcaster: better not post pornlinks here, maybe that's what is not wanted here
[18:22] Gemini37: Me too Mike.
[18:22] drumasteruk: if shes not careful...she'll be naked
[18:22] mr_hard: beacause evrytime the stpid search tool dosent work i come here for help
[18:22] mike_op18: as i said, there should be easy to find RULES here, so that even guests know what not to post
[18:22] Hunter27: The search tool has improved greatly.
[18:22] Alsayid69: Is Pey mad at someone, Gem?
[18:23] Gemini37: Good point MrH....what will they do then?
[18:23] mike_op18: not any more, but she doesn't want the same thing to happen twice
[18:23] Hunter27: They will request.
[18:23] Gemini37: It seems that is why she no longer comes to chat Al
[18:24] Alsayid69: Is that something that just happened, or is this an old grievance?
[18:24] mr_hard: yeah there gonna need more moderators to check all the request
[18:24] mike_op18: i don't have all the details btw, before you ask
[18:24] Hunter27: Mike, can you further the pm? Why?
[18:24] Hunter27: No mrH
[18:25] mike_op18: i can tell you EXACTLY why, but i would rather not
[18:25] mike_op18: just that it was very serious indeed
[18:25] modelcaster: it cant be me, when i was new, i did not know her and thought it wa a boy. pay cin... was all the same for me. and many times later we even talked about college and university. so?
[18:25] Hunter27: There's enough of us. Shit, I would be there now if I wasn't CHATTING
[18:25] mr_hard: did you gusy see the video of heather from nublis on the site today that was really hot
[18:26] mr_hard: guys lo l
[18:26] Alsayid69: All I need to know is if this is something that happened in the last several days, or if it's much older
[18:26] Gemini37: I come hear first then go work on the forum.
[18:26] drumasteruk: admit it hunter you like a chin wag
[18:27] Hunter27: Heather is a little skanky IMO. Drums, chin wag?
[18:28] Alsayid69: Mike: New, or old?
[18:28] mr_hard: yeah i tought she was hot
[18:28] Gemini37: Chew the fat/chat/talk.
[18:28] mr_hard: but we all have diffrent tastes i guess
[18:28] drumasteruk: chat ..waffle ...talk
[18:28] mike_op18: old, Al
[18:29] mike_op18: anywau it's good to see so many people enjoying the chat
[18:29] Hunter27: Everyone has there own taste, I try to contribute to all.
[18:29] Alsayid69: Ok. I think I know, then. Not sure why it's suddenly an issue, though? Oh, well.
[18:29] mr_hard: yeah whats girls de you guys like?
[18:29] Gemini37: Yes MrH we all pretty much have different tastes but that is a good thing.
[18:29] mike_op18: well, there was a small celebration here last night
[18:29] drumasteruk: live ones mr H
[18:30] Hunter27: Yes, I am enjoying chat, But I NEED to be doing other things but I find myself stuck here.
[18:30] mr_hard: cool
[18:30] Alsayid69: Like I said earlier, I went to a new place for a haircut
[18:30] mike_op18: That's a luxury problem Mr. H
[18:30] mr_hard: hey gem I didnt even notice you were here
[18:30] Gemini37: Stuck?...Hmmm ok.
[18:30] drumasteruk: no not 'cool ones'
[18:31] Alsayid69: Guys, the chick who cut my hair is HOT
[18:31] drumasteruk: topless barbers?
[18:31] Alsayid69: hah!
[18:31] mike_op18: @Mr.H: you can always tell Mr.V that you were moderating the chat
[18:31] Hunter27: Really, it's like the lottery scratch tickets, you know your gunna lose but you just keep buying them.
[18:31] mr_hard: i dont know what moderating is lol
[18:31] drumasteruk: this is cheaper
[18:32] Alsayid69: Drums, she's five years younger, and very friendly
[18:32] mr_hard: the only thing im good for is finding some internet porn
[18:32] Hunter27: mr_H What?!
[18:32] drumasteruk: hunter doin' his 'allo' allo' bit
[18:32] modelcaster: here only 20yo girls work at haircut
[18:32] modelcaster: oh naighbour fucking here, i have to listen
[18:33] Gemini37: Well I am off to go WORK on the forum...bye all.
[18:33] mr_hard: ok see ya gem
[18:33] Alsayid69: MC, in America it's usually immigrants (in the city) or older women
[18:33] mike_op18: happy modding GEM
[18:33] drumasteruk: and I have to make do with one from St.James
[18:33] Hunter27: See! he has that ability to get away.
[18:34] Alsayid69: Have a good one, Gem
[18:34] drumasteruk: ta ta gem
[18:34] Gemini37: Cya
[18:34] Hunter27: I to interested to hear what you assholes think lol.
[18:34] drumasteruk: come and get hunter later wont you/
[18:34] mr_hard: any nice models i could check out?
[18:35] Hunter27: channing!
[18:35] drumasteruk: yeah but cant remember where they were
[18:35] Alsayid69: MC, she has black hair, big blue eyes, and looks like she's 95 pounds (43 kilos)
[18:36] modelcaster: yes i am back
[18:36] drumasteruk: drums pulls out his L'ana links and starts looking
[18:37] modelcaster: first the female was morning and later the guy
[18:37] Alsayid69: ?
[18:38] drumasteruk: reckon our local girls on her way to a million
[18:38] modelcaster: wall next to my PC
[18:38] modelcaster: moaning
[18:39] Alsayid69: ahhhhh... hahahaha
[18:39] drumasteruk: got lots of club links and things for your bit o' the planet Al
[18:39] Alsayid69: yeah, drums? Well you know, it's been a while since I;ve gotten a message from you
[18:40] drumasteruk: well i'm b/b now
[18:41] drumasteruk: so might get about a bit more
[18:42] mike_op18: bed & breakfast?
[18:42] drumasteruk: after i've buggered the browser about a bit
[18:43] drumasteruk: yes mike
[18:43] drumasteruk: which you dont eat
[18:44] drumasteruk: downloaded latest opera today
[18:45] drumasteruk: think i've shot most of the faults mike
[18:45] mike_op18: just spoke to GEM offline
[18:47] modelcaster: So Al you asked for a special haircut? I electroshaved 3cm arround my whole head
[18:47] mike_op18: how is it drums?
[18:47] drumasteruk: getting better
[18:47] modelcaster: but had no soft lovely gently gemale hand at my head (for money )
[18:48] modelcaster: *f
[18:48] drumasteruk: gemale
[18:48]
modelcaster:
[18:49] modelcaster: G-Unit gangsta biatch
[18:49] drumasteruk: american army MC?
[18:50] modelcaster: RAP 50Cent and his gang
[18:50] modelcaster: dru
[18:50] modelcaster: you mean the look?
[18:51] modelcaster: no 3 cm is much more than it sound, at Bundeswehr i only had 0,5cm
[18:51] modelcaster: like full metal jacket platoon
[18:52] drumasteruk: a/army= Gemale
[18:53] modelcaster: i only know general
[18:53] Hunter27: You master the web? Lol, no, the web masters you. Hahaaa Ha Twa Twahaha Twahahaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
[18:54] modelcaster: oh hunter in good funny mood? whats wrong?
[18:54] guest_klch: hey girls, what up?
[18:54] Hunter27: I know 71.2% of all models online.
[18:55] Hunter27: 71.247%
[18:55] guest_klch: Hi Hunter, Drum, mike!
[18:55] mike_op18: hi klch
[18:55] Hunter27: Oh shit hi K
[18:55] mike_op18: better check topic
[18:55] modelcaster: Yesterday someone here feared the new storm: Tropical Storm Gamma deluged the coast of Central America on Saturday, killing at least six people -- three in flooding in Honduras and three in the crash of a small plane belonging to a Belize lodge owned by the filmmaker Francis Ford Coppola.
[18:55] guest_klch: anyone got a good music collection?
[18:56]
guest_klch:
[18:56] modelcaster: i lost mine on dvd when i burned it over
[18:57] Hunter27: "the coast of Central America" there is no such thing rolf!
[18:57] modelcaster: CNN always writes such nonsence with their B-class journalists
[18:57] guest_klch: Trying to Kill chat, that is sad
[18:58] modelcaster: yes
[18:58] Hunter27: Hmmm. it could make you assholes post in the forums
[18:58] modelcaster: hunter is the origin
[18:59] modelcaster: initiator
[18:59] modelcaster: chathunter
[19:02] modelcaster: what about the alternative to ban mike and let chat open? <- its a joke
[19:02] guest_klch: hahahahahahahahaha
[19:02] guest_klch: who's been spamming chat other then him?
[19:02] modelcaster: me
[19:02] drumasteruk: hi klchr
[19:02] Hunter27: This is for the record: http://www.teencoreclub.com/
[19:03] guest_klch: www.spam.com
[19:03] Hunter27: Should i post it? heh huh? well?
[19:03] guest_klch: http://www.spam.com/
[19:03] modelcaster: i have a good NO P2P board with all the movies, but you can simply search the girls names and get all the movies
[19:03] guest_klch: mmmmmmmmm, mmmmmm good
[19:03] guest_klch: mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
[19:04] Hunter27: User=nporcaro Pass=It's too fuckin easy to share here.
[19:04] modelcaster: here spam in metalcan comes from poland
[19:04] guest_klch: i am downloading tons of music theses days... seems the porn biz is boring me
[19:04] mike_op18: which record Hunter? you're not spamming are you?
[19:04] modelcaster: i loaded collections of mozat and beethoven, but i am too bored to listen to it
[19:05] modelcaster: mazart
[19:05] modelcaster: mozart
[19:05] drumasteruk: naughty hunter
[19:05] guest_klch: I use dc++
[19:06] modelcaster: all i have wizart of gore ready, but not watched yet
[19:06] modelcaster: Al
[19:06] drumasteruk: i use dc +&-
[19:06] modelcaster: i ac/dc
[19:06] drumasteruk: at 24 volt
[19:06] modelcaster: for pc power
[19:07] modelcaster: 240
[19:07] drumasteruk: and 24 mc
[19:07] Hunter27: Now talks about pass sharing and NO P2P going on in chat...
[19:08] drumasteruk: told you off though
[19:08] modelcaster: but only talks about no links hints and so on
[19:08] guest_klch: who did??
[19:08] modelcaster: we could also talk about terror withour sharing plans how to build bombs
[19:09] mike_op18: Hunter, please no talk of pass-sharing in chat !!!
[19:09] drumasteruk: i said ''naughty hunter''
[19:09] modelcaster: the more you force people the mor the will leave
[19:09] mike_op18: Please read the rules !!!
[19:10] drumasteruk: midnight...gotta get up soon
[19:11] mike_op18: One over here...
[19:11] Hunter27: I didn't give the complete pass, but the response has been logged and will be talked about. Thanks
[19:11] modelcaster: Al where are you with your leningrad cowboys
[19:11] modelcaster: haircut
[19:11] drumasteruk: goodnight to all...see later on
[19:11] modelcaster: or not
[19:11] mike_op18: cya drums, take care...
[19:12]
modelcaster:
[19:12]
drumasteruk:
[19:12] mike_op18: i'll log this caht for vatsis
[19:12]
mike_op18:
[19:12] Hunter27: You do that, I already have.
[19:12]
mike_op18:
[19:13] guest_klch: hey hey, no spam in here
[19:13] modelcaster: please do so hunter can not fake proof
[19:13] Hunter27: I wanted to show how easily pass content can be shared. It was a nice demo.
[19:14] modelcaster: i already suggeted vatsis to ban hunter and mike new mod and parttime mod of chat <-joke
[19:14] modelcaster: s
[19:14] Hunter27: It was a setup. Thanks
[19:15] guest_klch: I say , Ban everyone except me and the girls!!
[19:16] mike_op18: i've already trefused beginners post MC...sorry
[19:20] Hunter27: Tonights discussion should give sufficient evidence to close chat.
[19:21] modelcaster: mike please log that so vatsis sees its hunter who has antipathy to chat
[19:22] mike_op18: will do MC
[19:22] guest_klch: I SAY NO CLOSING CHAT, FINAL!!!!!!!!!!!!111
[19:22] modelcaster: and by the way i will tell him, that hunter logs in under my name modelcaster and posts!
[19:22] mike_op18: put it on the thread klch, and motivate please
[19:22] modelcaster: or whi is that? mike evoo?
[19:24] Hunter27: It was a point MC.
[19:26] Hunter27: I should post the pass for you all. Then
[19:27] Hunter27: Chat will be closed
[19:27]
modelcaster:
[19:28] modelcaster: Hunter i want to know how you sit behind your pc? angry, or relaxed? smiling or grimm?
[19:28] modelcaster: i am smiling all the time
[19:28] Hunter27: Lol, Hunter is several.
[19:29] Hunter27: There are ALWAYS other people here advising.
[19:32] Hunter27: It's the power of four
[19:33] Hunter27: five
[19:37] modelcaster: and they want you to close the chat, so you sit less at pc and play more with them!!!
[19:38] modelcaster: so your four mates/familymembers decide about a european chat?
[19:40] guest_Dis: what?
[19:41] modelcaster: http://www.peachyforum.com/forums/166850/ShowPost.aspx
[19:43] guest_Dis: holyshit
[19:46] guest_modelcaster: Dis i wroe you a PM
[19:49] guest_klch: DisContinued chat?
[19:49] guest_klch: Disturbed masterbater
[19:49] guest_klch: DisFunctional chat system
[19:50] modelcaster: Dis writes so often shit and fuck, these words are forbidden in europe, when somebody says you can sue him for bad speech. So vatsis will close the chat
[19:50] modelcaster: joke (indicator)
[19:50] guest_Dis: fuckfuckfuck shit sthi sthi
[19:50]
guest_Dis:
[19:50] : guest_Evoo: you know what is good for sharing passes without risk of moderation? pm's. we should consider disabling that
[19:50] guest_klch: Evooo!!!!! hello
[19:50] guest_Dis: yeah
[19:51] modelcaster: did we share much passes?
[19:51] modelcaster: i do not think maybe 4 times in all the months i was here
[19:52] mike_op18: that will be the next step evoo, take things one by one
[19:52] guest_klch: who wants some good passes?
[19:52] guest_Dis: bullshit
[19:53] modelcaster: i want pass to peachy chat
[19:53] mike_op18: first down the chat, then down the pm's, then lemmesee
[19:53] mike_op18: let's close peachy
[19:53] guest_klch: http://www.disisnudehere.com/username: nasty pass: shit
[19:53]
guest_klch:
[19:54] : guest_Evoo: hi kl
[19:54] modelcaster: how about local pornchat meetings in new york canberra paris... people meet at local townhall, talk about chicks and exchange little pieces of papers with pornlinks and passes?
[19:54] mike_op18: evoo: maybe we should start a new peachychat at oxanababy
[19:55] guest_Dis: thatd be cool
[19:55] modelcaster: now vatsis gets angry! oxana again
[19:55] mike_op18: i didn't say that MC
[19:56] guest_klch: haha
[19:56] Hunter27: Good bye chat.
[19:57]
modelcaster:
[19:57] modelcaster: Hunter i like you, you are tough guy my friend and fight for your ideals
[19:58] guest_Dis: whatever, you wanna close the chat, than fine.
[19:59] guest_Dis: i dont think peachy will last much longer anyway
[19:59] Hunter27: You don't know us MC.
[20:00] Hunter27: Dis, lmfao. Chat closes so peachy dies. I think not.
[20:00] guest_Dis: there isnt much of anything here anymore, and i dont think people will stick around for the paysite reviews
[20:01] modelcaster: [19:59] Hunter27: You don't know "US" MC. I think you bet with your friends if you are able to close a chat that went good and spend much joy. If you win and convince vatsis you get 10$ from your friends in your room that lough when looking on screen at us freaks?
[20:02] Hunter27: But, is you want to know who she is....
[20:02] mike_op18: the way things are going peachyFORUM will not last much longer. Peachy18 and Finnteen will continue, but Vatsis does not need mods for those
[20:02] Hunter27: MC, I get 0 dollars and 0 cents
[20:02] modelcaster: i would like to talk to vatsis
[20:03] modelcaster: know more about him
[20:03] mike_op18: be sure you will
[20:03] modelcaster: is he ready with his university degree/diploma? forking on phd? what he studied? i know nothing
[20:03] Hunter27: Send me a PM and I will assure you Vatsis will see it, if it's worth it.
[20:03] mike_op18: does it matter?
[20:04] modelcaster: no its private stuff
[20:04] Hunter27: You think?
[20:05] Hunter27: I was once a great poster, then I found chat...
[20:06] guest_Dis: the chat make the forum more than just a porn site
[20:06] guest_Dis: makes*
[20:07] guest_Dis: but like you say hunter, who cares
[20:07] : guest_Evoo: i met dis in chat
[20:08]
guest_Dis:
[20:08] Hunter27: I first saw dis in the forum.
[20:08] : guest_Evoo: but you didn't MEET the person
[20:08] guest_Dis: ive been in the chat since i came to peacht
[20:08] guest_Dis: y
[20:08] guest_Dis: the good ol days
[20:08] Hunter27: You dont MEET many people at all.
[20:09] guest_Dis: well this is the closest that most people can get than isnt it hunter
[20:10] modelcaster: and mike and drum even met!
[20:10] mike_op18: well i met drumasteruk a week ago
[20:10] mike_op18: LOL
[20:10] Hunter27: Anyone wants to MEET me I'm Hunter Y27 at AIM
[20:10]
modelcaster:
[20:11] guest_Dis: no one wants to meet a dickhead huntR
[20:11] : guest_Evoo: without chat, how long would you think a post like that would last?
[20:11] Hunter27: Heh, I'll let V know you think that.
[20:12] modelcaster: ha ha people talk the real way. Not like pussies.
[20:13] modelcaster: now its the attack-chat©
[20:13] modelcaster: we need the beginner
[20:14] Hunter27: Stupidity...
[20:15] guest_Dis: youve got 98 people on the forum, whats a good day 500?
[20:15] Hunter27: We agree, it's only a matter of time.
[20:15] modelcaster: mike you have a new cheese at home? i have a pizza mozarella in oven
[20:15] guest_Dis: its pretty pittiful compaird to other forums
[20:16] modelcaster: yes i already said that dis
[20:16] mike_op18: yea new cheese
[20:16] guest_Dis: ok, sorry, im doing 6 things at once here
[20:17] modelcaster: the point is that people will not make big posts about this and that of half a site when only 15 people will read it. In chat its another thing
[20:17] Hunter27: Mike why dont you install http://www.xigla.com/xigla/index.htm
[20:17] Hunter27: at ox?
[20:19] Hunter27: it's so great, why don't YOU host it.
[20:19] modelcaster: damn every such feature is that expensive
[20:19] modelcaster: what of all these packages?
[20:19] mike_op18: stop spamming Hunter
[20:19] guest_Dis: well, im going out. cya... if the chats still here
[20:19] mike_op18: if not we'll get caht up at ox Dis
[20:20]
guest_Dis:
[20:20] mike_op18: cya
[20:20]
guest_Dis:
[20:20] modelcaster: how you know these tools hunter? are you website expert?
[20:20] modelcaster: dis
[20:21] Hunter27: I'm not spamming mike, I'm telling you to get your own fucking chat software.
[20:21] : guest_Evoo: are you even a little drunk?
[20:21] modelcaster: hunter which is the software for chat?
[20:21] modelcaster: is see shoutbox
[20:22] modelcaster: did klchr pay 40$ for his shoutbox?
[20:23] modelcaster: evoo hunter was the same yesterday
[20:24] : guest_Evoo: oh heh
[20:25] mike_op18: well he admitted being in a bad mood. I wouldn't say drunk...
[20:25] modelcaster: f~ is on
[20:27] Hunter27: He knows.
[20:27] modelcaster: AL is back
[20:27] modelcaster: mike is invisible
[20:28] mike_op18: yep
[20:28] Hunter27: Your busted.
[20:28] Hunter27: Your busted
[20:29] Hunter27: Evoo says Because your busted.
[20:36] :
guest_Evoo: Evoo says  

Sat, Nov 19 2005 20:45
matadorstuff
UK
Posts 2,518
Personally I'm not one for chatting online but I often think that the chat facility just isn't promoted enough - just the tiny peachychat link at the top of the page, no message saying "come in and chat!". Maybe that's why it isn't very busy? And surely there can't be the same legal expectations to keep a real-time chat clean compared to a forum or website?
Sat, Nov 19 2005 20:48
Evoo
Posts 1,443
Retired Moderator
By an extreme version of this logic, mayors should close public streets on all days except holidays in order to reduce crime, due to law enforcement not being present.

An unmoderated chat tends to loosen up users and let them chat about whatever they desire. Since there is no fixed topic for discussion, topic moderation isn't a necessity.

Occasionally, someone on chat writes something against the forum rules. Spam/flame/poor taste on chat is largely ignored. The earlier move to make chat an initiated thing, as opposed to forced upon you on every page, had led to a decrease in quantity of chatters, but a significant increase in quality wrt spam.

Passes are sometimes requested but any actual posting of passes are usually the same group of people who both a) have access to passes, b) don't give a shit about the rules. The nature of chat makes it impossible to erase history. Only a moderated forum would assure 100% control.

Currently, someone on chat can be held accountable by IP. That is the deterrent for breaking rules.

There are a number of regulars on chat that contribute to most of the 'quality' on chat. Shifting chat into a seasonal occurrence will totally change this demographic. Chat may become something like an annual parade. People come to see that it is going on, shout 'yay', and leave.

As for adding realtime moderation to chat, a change in chat software could work well. Shoutbox inherently has no features of a 'real' chat. Ideally an IRC backend supporting native IRC and web clients. I think it is well proven that the moderation system of IRC works.

In response to Hunter's concern for chat security. The posted IPs are to reduce anonymity, deterring writing crap and fake nicks. It makes people accountable. Unless you have serious enemies, having your IP known does not lead to people hacking you. Having an unsecured computer does.
Your IP is your computer's address. Every site you visit needs to know it. Do you unlist your phone number and cover up your numberplates to try and hide your residence so it cannot be found, or do you secure the doors and windows? Just as thieves will go by streets and look for good takes, people scan IP ranges looking for unsecured computers. The only difference with chat is that your chat persona is attached to the IP. If it is that critical, use proxies.

Granted, closing chat is the only way to guarantee 0 broken rules; but, you'll be closing a lot more than rule-violating chat lines.
Sat, Nov 19 2005 20:49
mike_op18
Netherlands
Posts 1,460
Moderator

Hi Mat,
enough people find the chat...check previous post. Imo it's one of the main reasons for some of the menbers to stick with peachy

- mike =)).

Sat, Nov 19 2005 21:10
matadorstuff
UK
Posts 2,518
 mike_op18 wrote:

Imo it's one of the main reasons for some of the menbers to stick with peachy.

I have no doubt about that, Mike. I was just responding to drum's earlier comment: "I've been chatting here for a while now, and do agree that in the last six months the chat has been underused".

Personally I can't see what all the fuss in this thread is about, and I'm all for keeping the chat. Wink [;)]

Sun, Nov 20 2005 4:15
mike_op18
Netherlands
Posts 1,460
Moderator

Hi Mat,
the whole of peachy has been underused, not just the chat. It may have more to do with general tendencies than people not wanting or having the time to chat.
The fuss is really only about why this thread was started in the first place. Everyone I've spoken to (except one) is for keeping the chat in one form or another.

greets - mike =)).

Sun, Nov 20 2005 6:59
Vatsis
cold capital of Finland
Posts 3,384
Moderator
SystemAdministrator

Hey, no need to worry - the chat is not going nowhere until we'll find a better option and I didn't intend to create a debat between chat users and non-users. Just wanted to hear the opinion how to improve it... it has currently too few members and even if we would increase the noticeability, for marketing reasons we would need a theme to cover the bandwidth costs and not just be "added value" for the PeachyForum.

My current idea was not to make it a secret meeting place for the old regulars, but a very popular "radioshow"... a letter before "now on the air" with "Tonights Host", and some guests (Models, etc.). What it comes to holidays, we would have kind of "1-week before christmas party" or "after newyear hangover party" etc. so there would be some people telling about what they have done/say greetings to everyone.

Nowadays it's kind of "chicken or egg" -problem with PeachyChat:

- there are not enough people on the chat for a model to make appearence
- the forum software doesn't support enough people to make a large chat
- upgrading the forum software requires more server resources
- resources require more income from the chat, so it can run by it's own
- income depends from the amount of new people on the chat

Currently, we have 15,000 daily visitors on PeachyForum... how many of them go to the chat? Maybe 0,1%. I just want to make it at least 1%... maybe my ideas are a bit "radical", but there would be nice to see some improvement. Yes [Y]

Sun, Nov 20 2005 7:15
Vatsis
cold capital of Finland
Posts 3,384
Moderator
SystemAdministrator

Btw. my current ideas are not just because one person, or another, we're not blaming anyone - I just have been thinking for a long time how the chat could fit in.

I'm just being a visionaire, throwing out some radical ideas... in the end it you who decide what's hot and what's not. Iit's soon year 2006 and I'm making a list of things I'm planning to improve in the following two years... like a next version of Peachy18/PeachyForum, and some other sites, but the chat is not going to be on the list. That just makes it seem it will eventually die slowly, seem little old-tech... but who knows if we always want to see something old among the new stuff?

Sun, Nov 20 2005 9:43
Evoo
Posts 1,443
Retired Moderator
There are "few" chatters because it is not conveniently accessible. Not many users want to keep a separate chat window open all the time. So chat only happens when two people happen to talk at roughly the same time. When chat could be seen from every page, when someone wrote something, the whole board instantly knew, and many random people would always join in. It did create lots of low quality chat lines, but some might consider that spontaneous and fun :)

As it is now, only the regulars would bother to sit in chat and wait for someone to speak.

Relative to forum-posting, chat uses your active attention. The tendency is for a few people to spend a lot of time in chat, as opposed to many people saying only a few things. It requires only a few dozen active regulars to keep a chat line constantly going. They arrive and leave, maybe 2-8 people on at a time. I think a lot of visitors do look at chat, but they see no one there and then leave. Sometimes they write a line then leave. A list of users in the 'room' would certainly help a lot.

---

Some other forums also run their own irc chat. They mention it on the website and invite people to join, but there is no web interface and I suspect that only regulars hang out there. But a realtime chat channel really has no substitute so even a hidden away chat has enough reason to justify its existence. If you add to this an incredibly simple-to-use web interface, it might get popular; ie. people would rather go to chat and talk about girls with other users realtime, rather than make request or gallery posts. In any case, it would be a first I think, for a forum of this kind. As if peachy isn't already unique enough :)
Tue, Nov 22 2005 13:01
mike_op18
Netherlands
Posts 1,460
Moderator

here ya go, how's this?

greets - mike =)). 


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